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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:58:00 -
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I think..
- Ripard's blog is overly polemic
- E1 is ethically wrong, on a worse level than The Mittani at Fanfest
- the victim overreacted aswell, but that does not make E1 right
We as a gaming community and CCP as a gaming company have a certain ethical background by which actions are judged. If my local chess club has a member that keeps dissing people we may very well debar hir. If an internet forum has a member that continuously keeps harassing other participants ze may very well get banned.
I see the problem being that the Eve community is a very broad one, with players from all over the world.
But maybe it's up to CCP here to make clear what they as a company think is right and what is wrong, what kind of behaviour they think is tolerable and which isn't, with the best for the overall player community in mind.
(Don't forget, we are talking about people conduct here, not character conduct)
Re: "No one was forcing him"
That's not as easy. I am sure E1 is a very intelligent person. And when it comes to rhetoric and psychology you have to look deeper.
E1 is doing his scheme in a very distinct way, on purpose. _First_ the player has to give up everything of ISK value ze owns. Players who are sufficiently intelligent (and are not trying to counterscam E1 or just messing around) likely stop right before that. Players that did this first step, are likely in a weaker state of mind. A player such as that, who already is heavily invested via the prepaid high stakes (high to hir at least), will have serious trouble just stopping. |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:39:00 -
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Malcanis, you keep asking where exactly to draw the line (at the other end).. where do you think it is?
You keep insisting that the Teamspeak parts are outside the game and keep naming ridiculus examples that are also outside the game - but have no relation to Eve. What you fail to account for is how in this case Eve is the basis of it all.
Let me try to make an analogy...
A barkeep has a customer that behaves fine in his bar. But everytime when he goes outside he keeps shouting and beeing noisy in general to the point that neighbours regulary call the police. You will do what you can to avoid that, and if you notice regular offenders you may even ban them. In fact, the police can even attribute contributory fault in noise pollution to the bar owner if he's not attempting to at least keep people quiet right in front of the club (which is why often the bouncers make sure noisemakers at least go around the next corner).
Can you see how we are at a similar situation here?
Even if E1 is harassing people on Teamspeak, she still gets them there via Eve Online.
Is CCP legally required to step in? Propably not. But ethically? I think so.
And FYI, I'd rather see this thread as a demonstration than a witch hunt. We aren't burning people, we are demanding the ruling body to step in (I hope we are, at least that's what I'm doing).
Ever since I first heard of what he is doing, I wish he was banned for it. Just last week I mentioned it to some friends when we talked about the CSM election. Now finally, with this thread, I felt a chance for my opionion to be heard better, so I am making it heard. |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Affirmative.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:46:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:baltec1 wrote:It is if you are laughing and applauding at someone being attacked on the street. If its someone who I know has spent 2hrs tormenting a victim and his wife to the point of breaking, for no other reason than to sadistically enjoy their suffering and to share their recording of it with "friends", yes, I will absolutely laugh and applaud.
Just pointing out that I find this also wrong behaviour.
I could see a part of me wanting to enjoy it (I'm not a perfect angel either) but I think it is wrong for the same reason than listening to and enjoying E1's recording. |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:23:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:If I ran a bar and one of my patrons was well behaved in the bar but misbehaved outside it after drinking in it and someone complained to me I'd point out that if he is causing trouble to call the police. I will watch his behaviour when he's inside the bar andif the police want to ban him from drinking in the bar then that's fine to. They have a job to do and so do I.
Are you serious? O.o |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:35:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:led to a situation he can't escape? escape was 1 damn mouse click away for the ENTIRE duration of that recording.
Implying that the physical difficulty of performing a click has any relevance. |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:38:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Sephira Galamore wrote:Dave Stark wrote:led to a situation he can't escape? escape was 1 damn mouse click away for the ENTIRE duration of that recording. Implying that the physical difficulty of performing a click has any relevance. it's relevant in the fact that "a situation he can't escape" is a complete lie.
Only that you are ignoring the mental factor.
Silly analogy:
Shooting someone with a gun. Some people just can't do it (in a given situation). Even tho it's no different than "just a click" |
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